"The attacks on New York and Washington were an Israeli-engineered attempt at a coup against the government of the United States"
General Hamid Gul
General Hameed Gul was director general of the Pakistani Intelligence Services ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence) and a close ally of America, working hand in hand with the American CIA. Gul was also a great supporter of the "American Way Of Life" and Western democracy. General Gul turned against America for betrayal and countless broken promises.
He is, "still today very influential in Pakistan" according to the German daily DIE WELT (Sep. 28, 2001, p. 7).
RAWALPINDI, Pakistan -- The retired Pakistani general who is closest to the Taliban and Osama bin Laden contends the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on New York City and Washington were the work of renegade U.S. Air Force elements working with the Israelis. Gen. Hameed Gul led Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence during the war against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Gul serves as an adviser to Pakistan's extremist religious political parties, which oppose their government's decision to support the United States in any action against Afghanistan's Taliban regime. Gul contends bin Laden had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, saying instead that they were the work of the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service -- a version of events that has been endorsed by Islamic fundamentalist clerics and is widely accepted by Muslims throughout the Arab world.
Here is the transcript of the exclusive interview Gul gave to Arnaud de Borchgrave, United Press International editor at large: NEWSWEEK WEB EXCLUSIVE, Sep. 14, 2001
Transcript: UPI United Press International, Sep. 26, 2001 interviews General Gul
"The attacks against the twin towers started at 8:45 a.m. and four flights are diverted from their assigned air space and no air traffic controller sounds the alarm. And no Air Force jets scramble until 10 a.m. That also smacks of a small scale Air Force rebellion, a coup against the Pentagon perhaps? Radars are jammed, transponders fail. No IFF -- friend or foe identification -- challenge. In Pakistan, if there is no response to IFF, jets are instantly scrambled and the aircraft is shot down with no further questions asked. This was clearly an inside job. Bush was afraid and rushed to the shelter of a nuclear bunker. He clearly feared a nuclear situation. Who could that have been? Will that also be hushed up in the investigation, like the Warren report after the Kennedy assassination?"
De Borchgrave: So who did Black Sept. 11?
Gul: Mossad and its accomplices. The U.S. spends $40 billion a year on its 11 intelligence agencies. That's $400 billion in 10 years. Yet the Bush Administration says it was taken by surprise. I don't believe it. Within 10 minutes of the second twin tower being hit in the World Trade Center CNN said Osama bin Laden had done it. That was a planned piece of disinformation by the real perpetrators. It created an instant mindset and put public opinion into a trance, which prevented even intelligent people from thinking for themselves.
Q: So you're already convinced bin Laden didn't do it?
A: I know bin Laden and his associates. I've been with them here, in Europe and the Middle East. They are graduates of the best universities and are highly intelligent with impressive degrees and speak impeccable English. These are people who have rediscovered fundamental Islamic values. Many come from the Gulf countries where ruling royal families have generated hatred by the way they flout divine law, wasting billions on gratifying their whims, jetting around in large private jets by themselves, and sailing the Mediterranean in big private boats for weeks on end. Osama's best recruits come from feudal areas that are U.S. protectorates and where millions of poor people are seeking human dignity. I have even visited a Christian convent school in Murree, 60 miles from here, where my 13-year-old daughter is studying. The young girls there have told me Osama is their hero. Osama's followers identify with Mujahideen freedom fighters wherever they are defending Islam and its values.
Q: So what makes you think Osama wasn't behind Sept. 11?
A: From a cave inside a mountain or a peasant's hovel? Let's be serious. Osama inspires countless millions by standing up for Islam against American and Israeli imperialism. He doesn't have the means for such a sophisticated operation.
Q: Why Mossad?
A: Mossad and its American associates are the obvious culprits. Who benefits from the crime? The attacks against the twin towers started at 8:45 a.m. and four flights are diverted from their assigned air space and no air traffic controller sounds the alarm. And no Air Force jets scramble until 10 a.m. That also smacks of a small scale Air Force rebellion, a coup against the Pentagon perhaps? Radars are jammed, transponders fail. No IFF -- friend or foe identification -- challenge. In Pakistan, if there is no response to IFF, jets are instantly scrambled and the aircraft is shot down with no further questions asked. This was clearly an inside job. Bush was afraid and rushed to the shelter of a nuclear bunker. He clearly feared a nuclear situation. Who could that have been? Will that also be hushed up in the investigation, like the Warren report after the Kennedy assassination?
Q: At this point, someone might be asking what you've been smoking. What is Israel's interest in such a monstrous plot, which, of course, no one believes except Islamist extremists who concocted this piece of disinformation in the first place, presumably to detract from the real culprits?
A: Jews never agreed to Bush 41 (George H.W. Bush, the 41st president) or 43 (his son George W. Bush, the 43rd president). They made sure Bush senior didn't get a second term. His land-for-peace pressure in Palestine didn't suit Israel. They were also against the young Bush because he was considered too close to oil interests and the Gulf countries. Bush senior and Jim Baker had raised $150 million for Bush junior, much of it from Mideast sources or their American go-betweens. Bush 41 and Baker, as private citizens, had also facilitated the new strategic relationship between Saudi Arabia and Iran. I have this from sources in both countries. So clearly the prospect of a Bush 43 was a potential danger to Israel.
Jews were stunned by the way Bush stole the election in Florida. They had put big money on Al Gore. Israel has given its imperialist guardian parent opportunities to turn disaster into a pretext for imposing an all-encompassing military, political and economic agenda to further the cause of global capitalism. While Colin Powell is cautious and others are reckless and want to make up for their failure to defeat Saddam Hussein in the Gulf War 10 years ago, the global agenda is the same.
Israel knows it has a short shelf-life before it is overwhelmed by demographics. It is a state that was born in terrorism that terrorized Palestinians into the exile of refugee camps, where they have now subsisted in squalid refugee camps, and is now very much afraid of Pakistan's nuclear capability.
Israel has now handed the Bush family the opportunity it has been waiting for to consolidate America's imperial grip on the Gulf and acquire control of the Caspian basin by extending its military presence in Central Asia. Bush conveniently overlooks -- or is not told -- the fact that Islamic fundamentalists got their big boost in the modern age as CIA assets in the covert campaign I was also involved with to force the Soviets out of Afghanistan. Bush senior was vice president during that entire campaign. And no sooner did he become president on Jan. 20, 1989, than he summoned an inter-agency intelligence meeting and issued an order, among several others, to clip the wings of ISI (Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence) that had been coordinating the entire operation in Afghanistan. I know this firsthand as I was DGISI at the time (director general, ISI).
Q: So how do you read U.S. strategy in Pakistan?
A: The destabilization of Pakistan is part of the U.S. plan because it is a Muslim nuclear state. The U.S. wants to isolate Pakistan from China as part of its containment policy. President Nixon's book "The Real War" said China would be the superpower of the 21st Century. The U.S. is also creating hostility between Pakistan and Afghanistan, two Muslim states to reverse the perception that the Islamic world now has its own nuclear weapons. Bush 43 doesn't realize he is being manipulated by people who understand geopolitics. He is not leading but being led. All he can do is think in terms of the wanted-dead-or-alive culture, which is how Hollywood conditions the masses to think and act.
All summer long we heard about America's shrinking surplus and that the Pentagon would not have sufficient funds to modernize for the 21st century. And now, all of a sudden, the Pentagon can get what it wants without any Democratic Party opposition. How very convenient! Even your cherished civil liberties can now be abridged with impunity to protect the expansion of the hegemony of transnational capitalism. There is now a new excuse to crush anti-globalization protests.
Bush 43 follows Bush 41. Iraq was baited into the Kuwaiti trap when the U.S. told Saddam it was not interested in his inter-Arab squabbles. Two days later, he moved into Kuwait, which was an Iraqi province anyway before the British Empire decreed otherwise. Roosevelt baited the Pearl Harbor trap for the Japanese empire, which provided the pretext for entering World War II.
And now the Israelis have given the U.S. the pretext for further expansion into an area that will be critical in the next 25 years - the Caspian basin.
Q: Were you a fundamentalist in the days of the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan when you worked closely with the CIA?
A: Not as much as I am today.
Q: What turned you against America?
A: Betrayals and broken promises and what was done to my army career.
Q: And what was that?
A: President Ishaq Khan, who succeeded Zia ul-Haq after his plane was blown out of the sky, wanted to appoint me chief of staff, the highest position in the Pakistani army. The U.S., which by then had clipped ISI's wings, also blocked my promotion by informing the president I was unacceptable. So I was moved to a corps commander position. As ISI director, I held the whole Mujahideen movement in the palm of my hands. We were all pro-American. But then America left us in the lurch and everything went to pieces, including Afghanistan.
The U.S. pushed for a broad-based Afghan government of seven factions and then waved goodbye. Even in the best of democracies, a broad-based coalition does not work. So we quickly had seven jokers in Kabul interested in only one thing - jockeying for power. The gunplay quickly followed, which led to the creation of Taliban, the students of the original Mujahideen, who decided to put an end to it.
Q: What happened to the 1,000 shoulder-fired Stinger anti-aircraft missiles that were supplied by president Reagan in 1986 and 87 to the Mujahideen, and that literally grounded the Soviet air force?
A: After the Soviets pulled out, the CIA allocated $60 million to try to buy them back. This just drove the black market price up for one Stinger from $100,000 to $300,000. The Taliban still have about 250 of them for the kind of situation they face today against U.S. aircraft.
Q: Is the U.S. now your enemy?
A: Is the U.S. national interest in contradiction with the Muslim world? The U.S. needs oil, as do its European allies. You have between 6 and 8 million American Muslims and their ranks are growing. About the same number in Europe. Israel aside, we are America's natural allies. Prof. Sam Huntington in his "Clash of Civilizations" puts Confucius and Judeo-Christians in one corner, and us in the other. His prescription is wrong but is being adopted by Bush 43 who has now put 60 countries on his hit list. This is the diabolical school that wants to launch an anti-Muslim "crusade." Muslims understood what Bush meant when he used that word.
We need a meeting, not a clash, of civilizations. We are on the brink of disaster. It is time to pull back from the brink and reassess before we blow ourselves up. The purpose of Islam is service to humanity. The time for like-minded people to have a meeting of the minds is now.
Q: But you are against democracy, so how can there be a meeting of the minds?
A: Democracy does not work. Politicians are constantly thinking of their next election, not the public good, which means, at best, constantly shading the truth to hide it from their constituents. Their pronouncements are laced with lies and the voters are lulled or gulled into believing utter nonsense. The Koran says call a spade a spade. It is the supreme law and tells right from wrong. There is no notion of "my country right or wrong" under divine law. The creator's will predominates. All if subservient to Allah's will and adherence to a set of basic, fundamental values.
Q: So what kind of a system are you advocating?
A: The world needs a post-modern state system. Right now, the nation-state and round the clock satellite TV lead people to imitate America's way of life. Which is mathematically impossible. You have 4 percent of the world's population consuming 32 percent of the world's resources. The creator through Prophet Mohammed said equal distribution. Capitalism is the negation of the creator's will. It leads to imperialism and unilateralism.
Q: So what does this post-modern state system look like?
A: A global village under divine order, or we will have global bloodshed until good triumphs over evil. Islam encapsulates all the principal religions and what was handed down 1,400 years ago was the normal evolutionary sequel to Judaism and Christianity. The prophet's last sermon was a universal document of human rights for everyone that surpasses everything that came since, including America's declaration of independence and the U.N. Charter of universal rights. If you superimpose true secular values on true Islamic values, there is no difference. So surely divine law should supersede man-made law. Islam is egalitarian, tolerant and progressive. It is the wave of the future.
Q: Marxism also believed that the nation-state would eventually wither away.
A: Socialism jumped the rails when it was co-opted by the imperialist Soviet state. Islam believes in dynamism, Christianity stands for static statism. The pope in all his pronouncements has expressed a dogmatic attachment to the status quo. Why are so many black Americans converting to Islam? Because they are looking for true equality which they cannot find under capitalism. Allah has no gender, neither male nor female. Islam has no indirect taxation in an interest-free economy. Usury was a Jewish concept.
Q: Is Iran your model?
A: There isn't a single true Islamic state in the world today. Iran has moved forward from its 1979 revolution, but I am not sure whether it's the right direction.
Q: And Taliban?
A: They represent Islam in its purest form so far. It's a clean sheet. And they were also moving in the right direction when this crisis was cooked up by the U.S. Until Sept. 11, they had perfect law and order with no formal police force, only traffic cops without sidearms. Now, in less than two weeks, they have mobilized some 300,000 volunteers to fight American and British invaders if they come.
Q: And your reaction to U.S. demands on Pakistan?
A: If Pakistan gives the U.S. base rights we will have a national upheaval. And if the U.S. attacks Afghanistan, there will be a call -- a fatwa -- for a general jihad. All borders will then disappear and it will be a no-holds-barred Islamic uprising against Israel and American imperialism. Pakistan will be engulfed in the firestorm. So I can only hope that cooler heads will prevail in Washington.
Q: What about the other U.S. demands?
A: Overflight rights are meaningless since the U.S. violates air space daily all over the world. As for intelligence sharing with ISI, you can't even catch your own terrorists. And what ISI gives you will be of marginal value anyway.
Q: President (Pervez) Musharraf has made strong statements supporting the U.S.
A: He was my student in the army. He is a good man, but he doesn't understand Islam. The army will never fight the masses. If push comes to shove, Musharraf will say no to the Americans rather than turn against the people. He is not just facing a handful of angry people. By his own admission, it's 10 percent to 15 percent of the population, or at least 10 million people willing to fight. For openers, they would close the port of Karachi. A country cannot breathe without lungs.
Q: Back to Osama's terrorist network. Who was behind the bombing of the U.S. Embassies in Tanzania and Kenya?
A: Mossad is strong in both countries. Remember the Israeli operation to free hostages in Entebbe (Uganda)? Both Kenya and Tanzania were part of the logistical tail. A so-called associate of Osama was framed at Karachi airport. The incidents took place on Aug. 8, 1999, and on the 10th a short, clean-shaven man disembarks at Karachi airport and presents the passport of a bearded man. Not your passport, he was told. He then tries to bribe the clerk with 200 rupees. A ludicrously small sum given the circumstances. The clerk says no and turns him in and he starts singing right away. Not plausible. Osama has sworn to me on the Koran it was not him and he is truthful to a fault. Pious Muslims do not kill innocent civilians who included many Muslim victims. The passport must have been switched while the man was asleep on the plane in what has all the earmarks of a Mossad operation. For 10 years, the Mujahideen fought the Soviets in Afghanistan and not a single Soviet embassy was touched anywhere in the world. So this could not have been Osama's followers.
Q: What if bin Laden has been lying to you and is guilty. Is that inconceivable?
A: If Taliban are given irrefutable evidence of his guilt, I am in favor of a fair trial. In America, one is entitled to a jury of peers. But he has no American peers. The Taliban would not object, in the event of a prima face case, to an international Islamic court meeting in The Hague. They would turn extradite Osama to the Netherlands.
End of transcript: UPI United Press International, Sep. 26, 2001, Interview with General Gul
Pakistani ISI General Hamid Gul '9/11 Inside Job'
See how Hamid Gul's ideology is reflected in the speech of the attackers on Mumbai:
Hamid Gul and the Berlin Wall (by Rauf Klasra, Jang, 7 Dec 2008)
December 7th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
hamid gul should not be handed over to anyone rather than he should be investigated in pakistan to ask about whereabouts of foriegner jihadis which he brought in pakistan and now they are killing our brothers in pakhtoonkhawa and our army ..hamid gul is gidfather of suicide bombers who have destroyed pakistan …he dam care about pakistan rather he is interested in Jihadi Govt. in Islamabad and he might become head of that violent Govt.
i know that right wingers will attack me with various labels, but just think that these international jihadis wanna destroy pakistan and this hamid gul was the guy who gathered these criminals from all over the world
December 7th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
if there is substantial evidence against Gul for his involvement in terrorist activities, he should be handed over to international agency and also should ensure that he gets a fair trial by putting up conditions. We can negotiate conditions and we should.
At the same time, I think the idea that Gul is a Saint is absurd. He was nominated by BB before her return to Pakistan as someone who wanted to kill her. And now once she is not around, he can attribute any lies to her. More so, in an interview to Herald, she mentioned that Gul was the mastermind behind the ouster of her government and also dropped hint that it was people in that nexus who planned murder of her brother.
December 7th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Hand over Hameed Gull or any other, These generals have served USA in 1980’s like nobody else.
The Afghan Jihad was not for Pakistan it was for USA and Regan’s Administration.
What ever we are going through is the result of our own deeds. Our interference in Afghanistan since 1979 till date has finally back fired in 2003/04 and still going on.
ISI is not involved in Mumbai incidents but because of past and because American know too much about us are the reasons of new campaign against ISI.
Pakistan has every right to defend its land and people and thus we need professional and committed intelligence agency who should do it’s job to defend not to interfere in local politics.
December 7th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
How could we deny USA now? when we have accepted that there are some elements in ISI who support terrorists publicly non other then Mr. Musharaf then in uniform on his visit to UN in 2006.
We either should hand over Hameed Gull or ask US to return all other Pakistanis we handed over.
December 8th, 2008 at 1:31 am
Hameed Gul is evil killer and brainwasher of pukhtuns, i hope he is sent to gitmo instead of innocent pukhtuns.
December 8th, 2008 at 2:02 am
Difficult to understand this NOORA KUSHTI between these generals and usa.all generals are their own puppets.they & their brother generals were& are doing the same bargain with usa.handover the pakistani men & womens to USA and get the credit.they earned a lot of dollars from america in this trade.untill yesterday,Gen Gul was proud of berlin wall piece.he was proud of his dirty tactics Profile.what happend now….now its their TURN.payback time generals.about turn……
December 8th, 2008 at 2:37 am
It’s time now to pay for what you have been doing Hamid Ghul ………….
Your hands soaked in blood of innocent pushtoons across the border need to be cut …………… just like your faaaltoo are slaughtering innocents in Pukhtunkhwa ……………. get ready ……………. justice at last …………………… all jihadis will follow …………. next will be Qazi …
December 8th, 2008 at 2:39 am
Hamid Gul wants to fulfill the dream of his master Zia. I disagree to hand hime over to any other country but for sure he deserve to be tried in side the country. His crime list is very long.
He deserve to be sent into jail for the crime of using Mehran Bank money for making anti-PPP alliance IJI. He shamelessly admitted that crime and it is on record that he presided over the the firts IJI meeting as head of ISI. He is a shameless hypocrite and responsible for Pakistan to come to this stage.
Pakistan has very limited choices left. Either we have o control these fanatics or else we r doomed as a nation.
I disagree that Mush is gorbachev of Pakistan. He was in fact continuing the policy of Zia. It was Zia who divided this nation beyond repair and it was he who made Pakistan army a ‘fee for service’ agency for USA. So the real gorbachev is Zia. I hope the democratically elected government can do some damage control but hopes are very dim.
December 8th, 2008 at 4:24 am
gen:Gul nay deewar berlin ka tukra kahan lay lia abb ? piece of berlin wall……proud general
December 8th, 2008 at 7:28 am
It’s funny to see the complete disregard of hamid gul’s crimes, especially against pukhtuns by people here. Doesn’t surprise me that due to ego and power issues, some want to continue the perpetual war in pakhtunkhwa while being paid money by US to fight this same war. Soon US and India will have had enough and will strike at the real masterminds of talibans.
The theykedaars of pakistan care more about money than innocent lives of people.
December 8th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Hamid Gul is crook, corrupt and possibly key planner of anti-state activities. He is not just ex ISI DG who once supported Jihadis and now providing them voice in media but is behind their strategies and tactical approach. I hope Pak Americans can force Pak army to take action against one of their high rank culpirit. If highest level politicians can be trialed(Bhottos, Sharifs) wby can’t we touch generals expecially some one like Hammed Gul who is openly defying state norms and is strenghting hands of terrorists. If we had anyone politician playing same role as Hammed Gul he ‘d have been hanged by now.
December 8th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
Hamid Gul runs a profitable trunking business for which he hired Taliban to protect and now his same trucks also supply NATO for which he makes millions. He wants the conflict to continue and innocent pukhtuns to die so he get more $$.
He is a greedy creature and pukhtuns will never forget his cruelty.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Where should his trial take place ? ? ? ? Since we agree our judiciary is not independent, then where ? The trial system should be quick as we have a long list of these criminals of humanity. Next in line is Qazi …. ……. i think it would have been better had Qazi been tried before him as Qazi seems to be in a hurry looking into his statements in newspapers now a days.
Hamid Gul should be handed over to the people of Swat, Waziristan and Bajaur for his crimes. His body should be dismembered into as many pieces as the no of innocents who have died or got injured from the hands of his PAALTOOS like Taliban and JI.
December 9th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
I used to like this guy but I am amazed…. he thinks that Taliban has the purest form of islam….and that democracy doesn’t work…….I have to rethink about him.
December 10th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
hameed gul another blabber who just balbs at talk shows n then has a cup of hot tea n asks his sons sab theek chal raha hai …bmw to nahee chhaiye bday per….i dnt care whether hes handed over or not…i only care if evry individual follow proper ethics n religion hes contributing to pakistan…just follow basic ethics in yr daily life n tell ppl to follow them…blabbing on these stoopid forums is just waste of time..its my first n may be the last comments …n i read these forums cuz i need a break from work…so its good 30-40 mins enjoyment..
December 11th, 2008 at 5:47 am
So what’s the issue if we faujis are to be handed over? So many innocent civilians disappeared and not many eye brows were raised!!..
Especially when these COASs and ISI DGs are responsible for what Pakistan is facing!!!
Ghost of TK Says:
I love how both Hamid Mir and Uncle Sargam deflected the issue of jihadi outfits and links back to Pakistan being a problem for Pakistan. Same old Jihadi-apologist crap… blame it on the racism of the west! but at least he admitted there is a problem at home.. PHEW!! it took threat of NUCLEAR WAR for these fawknuts to admit that there MAY be a problem with openly supporting non-state terrorist entities!!!
Also, why isn’t this world opinion against the Malaysians? or Indonesians? Why aren’t the british youth going to Phillipines for getting “daura Khas” and “daura murder & mayhem” training ?????
Stop these stupid jihadi schools, and let the representatives of the people conduct foreign policy instead of letting half-brained nitwits aka dumb-ass know-it-all jurnails (I’m looking at you Hamid Gul) running amok with foreign policy … not to mention that they’re the ones to pi$$ their pants first when someone really threatens to bomb their beautiful bungalows in Islamabad.
Our jurnails will do everything OTHER than their job, ie: Fighting and following the chain of command (which starts at the civilian chief executive ie; PM btw).
Any bay-ghairti is acceptable to these cowards as long as their neatly manicured lawns in the palaces (on OUR expense!) and their incompetent fat ass kids are safe in the new 9.5 billion dollar GHQ.
Ghost Of TK Says:
December 8th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
Lkhvi ko pakRa hai keh nahiN??? phaTT gai naa jurnailooN ki! When India threatened to put a 100 cruise missiles on the defense area!
I can see Ahmed Mukhtar and COAS writing the apology statement already:
Kiyani/Zardari/Mukhtari: Well you see our meat eater mujahid radar can’t see those vily vily indian mizzyles… they’re so thin because indian missile bhi unki tara bhookay nangay hotay hai to hamaray radar ko nazar nahee aatay.
pakistani qaum: hahaha! how funny! We believe your BS! Pak fauj ko salaam.. Islam ka Qillaa, waghera! etc. etc.
Kiyani/Zardari/Mukhtari: Can’t believe the idiots bought that sh!t for the 57th time. Fvcking retards!
UK/US: It pays to destroy the education system my pretties! ;-) sadday naal rau gay, tey enj i aish karo gay!
Kiyani/Zardari/Mikhtari: hehehehehe theek bola sahab! A-TEN-SHUNNN!!!!
December 9th, 2008 at 4:59 am
Ghost Of TK
“(I’m looking at you Hamid Gul) running amok with foreign policy … not to mention that they’re the ones to pi$$ their pants first when someone really threatens to bomb their beautiful bungalows in Islamabad.”
Recently,he is suggesting Gov. to become ally of Russia. Wow. This is like
BAAD LARAAEE KAY MUKKA YAAD AYA
Gen. Gul pretending himself as a propenant of democracy in Pakistan. Hearing this word from a General like gul sounds like
KOEE MURGHHEE DOODH DENAY KEE BAAT KARAY
short life endless plans Says:
December 11th, 2008 at 12:38 am
………Also, why isn’t this world opinion against the Malaysians? or Indonesians? Why aren’t the british youth going to Phillipines for getting “daura Khas” and “daura murder & mayhem” training ?????……..
may be because Malaysia and Indonesia do not have atomic bombs stashed away and the reason why British youth do not go to Malaysia is that they all go to their native country. These Jihadi groups may have been powerfull twenty years a go but currently they are just an excuse for cornering Pakistan.
and also, Pakistan does not need to create inroad in to the american political system, It just needs a ruler that has b*lls and is sincere in utilising the countries resources unlike the current Daku Zardari with his bucnh of theives.
They way I see it this Jihadi crap is just the creation of the pretex to Obamas war. even if pakistan did not have a history of these groups America would invent one like it invented Alqaida.
If the current government had boldly stated that there are no such groups active in Pkistan any more and that our inteligence reports suggest the Mumbay bombings are the work of local groups and these groups are also infiltrating our FATA region as well and had this lame government been open and loud and vocal about the RAW invovement in FATA then we would not be in the mess we are.
Ghost of TK Says:
December 11th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
@mibrahim: “Recently,he is suggesting Gov. to become ally of Russia. Wow.”
The irony of that ‘advice’ can only be lost on someone like Hamid Gul, the saviour of pakistan, the protector of jamhooriat (after raping it all his conscious life that is.)
Are you suggesting that jihadi groups are a result of Pakistan being a nuclear ‘power’?
If you think this is all a conspiracy because we have the nukes, then all the more reason for the State and Society of Pakistan to be on guard against these types of groups which can rub our nose in sh!t anytime they feel like it.
Why is the Army/ISI/PKGovernment allowing groups like Lashkar to operate on its soil if the main purpose is to be freedom fighters in Kashmir ??? Plausible Fvckin Deniability anyone? Have our intelligence agencies even heard of the term? Do you see the indians hosting BLA in india ??? NO! Because it would be goddamned fvcking retarded and even the indians are not that stupid.
but our ‘intelligence’ agencies have got india beat in the utter stupidity department, but hosting the groups right here. So every trail leads right fvcking back to Pakistan.
Nice job a$$holes!
Also, The pissed off Muslim youth do not go to Malaysia and Indonesia because THOSE NATIONS DO NOT HAVE TERRORIST JIHADI TRAINING CAMPS!!!!! PAKISTAN DOES! Admit it! It is just as simple as that.
Also, looking at the reports that all 10 were from Pakistan, should be a slap in the face of the fvcking nutbags in ISI and others who think their retarded foreign policy gambit can actually work (train and host the ‘freedom fighters’ erm… lashkar-e-chootia in Pakistan…. brilliant fvcking idea A$$HOLES!)
The laskahr couldn’t find TEN KASHMIRI’S to go along with their stupid idea, so they used Pakistani fucknuts.
Do you realize how damaging this is to the jihadi point of view and shows how much support they’ve got INSIDE kashmir? Kashmiri’s REJECTED the idea by not participating so they had to get 10 poor illiterate Pakistani’s to carry out the attacks.
I’m starting to believe that if it was, (as your theory suggests) this may have been a false flag at a much higher level (like above lakhvi even?) … but at the operational level, the patsies may have been all Pakistani’s but we don’t know yet…
in any case Pakistan needs to stop acking like a fucking chimpanzee with a loaded glock in his hand (when it comes to being a nuclear power) and stop training camps and associated recruiting networks of these FVCKNUT jihadi’s which are becoming a liability for the state of pakistan.
NOT EVERY FOREIGN POLICY PROBLEM CAN BE SOLVED BY A JIHADI OUTFIT (Afghanistan was a different case! Stop living in the past! ) …
Every problem looks like a nail when the only tool you got is a hammer! So, please, diversify your toolbox for the love of god, or you’re going to get us all destroyed in the most disgraceful manner!
ARE YOU LISSSENING ISI ???? HELLOOOOO!!!