Javed Chaudhry is on the payroll of anti-Pakistan forces which are currently sponsoring Taliban and Sipah-e-Sahaba and their supporters in Pakistani media and politics.
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http://express.com.pk/epaper/Article.aspx?newsID=1100116738&Date=20070130&Issue=NP_LHE
COMMENTSYLH:
I read that article by Javed Chaudhry… and frankly I disagree with it completely.
The conflict at Karbala was essentially a power struggle between Banu Omeyya and Banu Hashim… Muawiyah, being a prudent and wise man, had sought to compromise with the family of the Prophet (PBUH)… but his son made the huge mistake of antagonizing the masses by ordering the butchery at Karbala… we mourn the family of the prophet because it was a great tragedy.
Taliban on the other hand persecuted inter alia the shias, sunnis, hazaras, women etc… how can anyone compare them to Imam Hussain's sacrifice¦ god knows. Perhaps Mongol Horde under Genghis Khan is a much better analogy But then you have people like Mullah Zaheer running amuck making a mockery of our country, our people and our religion, and people like Javed Chaudhry around to encourage this.
Ahsan:
I did go through the article of Javed Chaudhry that Adnan indicated. I have read his other Urdu essays as well and I appreciate his Urdu writing. He writes beautiful language. I have no hesitation to put Bush and Yazyd in the same bag, but I can not put the Taliban on the same pedestal as Husayn? It is not the question of the religion or belief . It is simply based on reason. The Taliban do not have the same moral standing as “Hysayn"?. If any thing, they are immoral in my view. They are not fighting for Islam or for any thing good. The war between Bush and Taliban is a war between two tyrants. The less tyrant (Taliban) is fighting against the big tyrant (Bush) to perpetuate the tyranny over their own nation and their own people. Comparing a worse with the worst does not make him better (good). He still remains bad.
Umer:
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Umer says:
February 1st, 2007 5:37 pm
Guyz, may I propose something. We all agree that
(1) The vast vast majority of Shia an Sunni DO consider themselves as Muslims first and anything else second, and that is how it should be.
(2) There are some Sunnis who cross the line in condemning the Shia for their practices and some time (very very infrequently) even say hurtful things about people who the Shia (and most Muslims in general) hold especially dear. We all agree that this is just wrong thing to do.
(3) There are some Shia who cross the line in condemning the Sunnis and some time (very very infrequently) even say hurtful things about people who the Sunnis (and most Muslims in general) hold especially dear. We all agree that this is just wrong thing to do.
(4) Most Sunnis and most Shias do, in fact, respect each other’s practices and see themselves as Muslims first. We should all try to focus on strengthening these feelings and not falling for the minorities described in (2) and (3).
YLH:
The problem with our society is the lack of tolerance and/or giving the benefit of doubt to the other. Only god knows how he came to the conclusion that I was “denying” the Karbala massacre and the tragedy unleashed on the family of the Prophet… perhaps it is the “holier than thou” attitude that plagues Wahabis and Shias alike that is the problem here. I quote my original post here and ask if others too can draw the same conclusions…
[quote comment="32363"]I read that article by Javed Chaudhry… and frankly I disagree with it completely.
The conflict at Karbala was essentially a power struggle between Banu Omeyya and Banu Hashim¦
Muawiyah, being a prudent and wise man, had sought to compromise with the family of the Prophet (PBUH) but his son made the huge mistake of antagonizing the masses by ordering the butchery at Karbala¦ we mourn the family of the prophet because it was a great tragedy.
Taliban on the other hand persecuted inter alia the shias, sunnis, hazaras, women etc¦ how can anyone compare them to Imam Hussain's sacrifice¦ god knows. Perhaps Mongol Horde under Genghis Khan is a much better analogy
But then you have people like Mullah Zaheer running amuck¦ making a mockery of our country, our people and our religion¦ and people like Javed Chaudhry around to encourage this.[/quote]
Clearly my point that Imam Hussain’s sacrifice should not be compared to taliban has been lost.
Eidee Mian,
It is amazing that you accuse me who was brought up in shiite dominated household of being a “Wahabi”. If objectivity is being “Wahabi” then so be it. However my point - which clearly missed you- was that comparing Taliban to Imam Hussain (as Javed Chaudhry has done in the article quoted by Adnan Siddiqui) is a travesty.
I am afraid I have read history of that period too closely not to see the real power struggle that was going on and the role of Abdullah Bin Zubair in egging on Imam Hussain to make way for his own claim. This does not take away from the supreme tragedy that Karbala is nor does it take away from the character and life of Imam Hussain.
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The partial view of reality from PakistanKhaled Ahmed’s Urdu Press Review
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_1-7-2002_pg3_5Daily Times, pakistan, July 1, 2002
Award-winning columnist Javed Chaudhry writing in Jang (25 June 2002) stated
that under the Taliban there was peace in Afghanistan from Amu to Torkham.
Thieves had their hands cut, fornicators were stoned to death, and shopkeepers
guilty of fiddling with the scales were lashed. There was hunger and famine but a goldsmith could carry his bag of gold safely from Termez to Chaman. In Afghanistan of Taliban there was zero crime and hundred percent justice. There was tolerance, self-sacrifice, hospitality and modesty. But the West did not tolerate it. It killed the Taliban and said let there be murder, rape and theft, no veil, but a lot of prostitution. The Taliban were declared terrorist and replaced with liberal modern and educated bacha (children) of America and Europe. The liberals of the world celebrated. Now women are raped and men abducted and released on ransom, and there is poppy cultivation which the Taliban had got rid of. The Dostam militia in Mazar Sharif is broadcasting songs from the mosque loudspeakers. Women are without modesty. A BBC film on Mazar Sharif shown to the German parliament made the members cry. There is a club of homosexuals in Kandahar and there are obscene pictures being sold in Mazar Sharif. The West hated the beard of the Taliban but it can’t smell the stench rising from the corpse that Afghanistan has become after the Taliban.
The other side of the picture under the Taliban was always there, perhaps not recognised by the Urdu press and the ministry of religious affairs, and ignored by the establishment under the tutelage of the ISI and the army. The savagery of the Taliban in the guise of Islam was catalogued also in the Pakistani English press. The prostitution among the formerly respectable ladies of Kabul went on under the Taliban too and this column cannot repeat who all enjoyed this ‘service’. The Jaish-Harkat boys killed the Shia in Kabul. The fact of the persecution of the non-Pushtun and non-Sunni was not hidden. The pettiness of beating up the football players and kite-flyers paled before the bastinado applied to the luckless women forced to come to the streets to feed their orphaned children. The Hazaras were starved, the populace of Mazar Sharif was savaged in the brief interregnum when the Taliban made a commitment to the local commanders then went back on it, thus establishing that they were untrustworthy and had to be fought to the last. They killed a Shia leader after his surrender. They hosted the rebels from Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Chechnya, and threatened Iran, which isolated and besieged the hapless ruin of a country they wanted to rule. It is not only the West, but the entire neighbourhood of Afghanistan – all Islamic republics – who wanted and achieved the death of the Taliban government. Pakistan colluded with this satanism and consequently suffered isolation internationally till its own survival was at stake in 2001. The UN Security Council resolutions related to Afghanistan – on which China either signed or abstained – affixed the stamp of global disapproval on what the Taliban and Pakistan were doing in Afghanistan. What is happening now in Afghanistan is the consequence of the policy the two parties pursued. No one else is to blame for it. What is happening in Pakistan today is also linked to the policy pursued by Pakistan during this period.
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SECOND OPINION:Subtexts of Kashmir policy —Khaled Ahmed’s Urdu Press Reviewhttp://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_23-7-2004_pg3_3
Columnist Javed Chaudhry wrote in Jang (5 June 2004) that at a seminar in Washington Carnegie Institute speakers came to the conclusion that unless the factories of jihad were closed the problem of terrorism would become worse. Mufti Shamzai of Karachi was such a factory of jihad. He was non-sectarian and believed in the unity of all Muslims. But since he was a factory of jihad, resentful of the powers that inflicted suffering on the Muslims of the World, he had to be shut down. He was killed like the Hamas founder Sheikh Yassin. This is a message for all Muslims and it says: ‘We have to save our great religious leaders from America and its friends who think that the factories of mujahideen have to be shut down’.Mufti Shamzai was a factory of jihad that has gone wrong for Pakistan for many reasons. His pupils are now trying to do to Pakistan what Pakistan’s innocent citizens don’t deserve. It is easy to say that the Jews or the Americans killed him just like Sheikh Yassin but hard to prove it. It certainly reflects on the state of our mind.
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